We Are All Beautiful: Quality Skin Care and Cosmetic Services With Us in Mind, Featuring Sia Miller
With Halloween right around the corner, you want to be sure that your hair and skin are well taken care of. This week we are resharing our conversation with the amazing Sia Miller. She is a licensed esthetician and owns Faces by Sia Mia.
During this episode, we talk all about who provides your skincare, makeup application/education, and other cosmetic services. BIPOC skin is unique and requires specialized care. We are all beautiful, and Sia reminds us that we must know how to care for us. By doing so, we can really shine.
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You can find Sia Miller online at: https://www.facesbysiamia.com/ and on instagram @facesbysiamia.
Transcript:
Ari O'Donovan: (00:01)
Are y'all comfortable? We hope wherever you're listening to this, you're comfortable. This show is for the Bipo communities in Oregon hosted by a black woman about the amazing work we do every day in this state. So let's build together, connect with our communities, add some laughter and humor even when it's a difficult conversation. Let's boost our voices.
Sia Miller: (00:25)
Everyone doesn't have your best interest. Everyone doesn't have the skin that you have. Everyone doesn't have the features you have. It's hard to watch and follow a makeup video. You know this person's three shades lighter. She's got a Dewey Flawless foundation base, but she has very, very clear skin and she may already have oily skin. You may have dry skin, you have to take social media with a grain of salt.
Ari O'Donovan: (00:50)
Welcome back y'all to another episode of Boosting Our Voices. As always, I'm your host Ira o' Donovan and I'm also Boost Oregon's Diversity program manager. Today I have a very special guest with me and we're gonna get into everything about makeup and skincare. See ya. Mia, please tell listeners a little bit more about yourself.
Sia Miller: (01:13)
Hi everybody. Well, my name is Sia. My last name is Miller, but I go by faces by Cmia on Instagram, SIIA Miller on Facebook. But I am a makeup artist. I've been a makeup artist for over 10 years and recently got into skincare. I went to beauty school, got my aesthetician license and I've been doing facials and waxing for about two years now and enjoying every minute of it.
Ari O'Donovan: (01:42)
I love it. I love it. She is also my personal makeup artist whenever I need to turn up for whatever reason. I love doing that in the month of October in Halloween. That's my go-to girl right there. You recently went on a trip to la. Tell me a little bit about that.
Sia Miller: (02:01)
Yeah, so I went to LA to be trained by Joel Lee, the fabulous Miss Joel Lee. She was Michelle Obama's aesthetician while president Barack Obama was in office. So she was with her for four years and she's written books, a couple of books and I've been taking her free webinars online that I discovered like through some Facebook groups and stuff. And I loved her free classes so much. There was no gatekeeping. I had even popped into a chat and asked some questions and she actually answered it and told me all the secrets. I'm like, if she's gonna do this, like I have to take a class in person. And so I flew to LA and took a two-day course and it was based on multicultural skincare. Multicultural skincare is really underserved. A lot of people of color, including black women are scared to get aesthetic services, chemical peels, uh, laser treatments because we've been scarred in the past and we've just been flat out told, oh I can't help you.
Sia Miller: (03:09)
Your skin is dark, there's chances of bruising, hyperpigmentation. We just flat out don't do skin of color. And when I was in aesthetician school I was the only black woman in class and in Portland, Oregon there isn't a large black population or people of color population. And so I knew that this was a class that I absolutely had to take because I didn't get that training in beauty school, but I learned so much. If there's any estheticians out there, I recommend you to take her class. It's worth every penny. But I learned more than I ever imagined. I learned the business aspect, the financial aspect, like tons of information. So grateful for it.
Ari O'Donovan: (03:51)
Oh I love that. I love that there was so much more than you could learn rather than just aspects of skincare and makeup cuz it's all of that. It's how to manage a business properly. It's how to work with darker colored skin and girl, I know that, I know that whenever I have tried to get even a facial at one or two places, I have been told we usually work with skin that's lighter than yours. So I don't know about the outcome of the service we would be providing you, but we'll give it to you. But I can't guarantee that the results will be the same as images you've seen on our website. And to me that's like what are we really doing here? Like what are we talking about though? You're a licensed aesthetician, like you should be able to work with a wide spectrum of skin types, textures and tones.
Sia Miller: (04:51)
Absolutely. And it's like, well what about us? We wanna look beautiful too.
Ari O'Donovan: (04:54)
Exactly.
Sia Miller: (04:55)
Funny like she talked a lot about lasers and even though that's not my forte, I actually am not qualified to use lasers. But I actually know which lasers we can and cannot use for skin of color. And so I really encourage um, people, you know, come ask me, ask me before you go out there, you know, hey Sia, what do you think about this procedure or this type of laser or I wanna do hair removal or a chemical pill. What do you think? You don't have to come to me but use me as a resource. And so I love when people hop into my inbox and ask me, you know, for a little bit of advice, you know, here and there. Nothing too lengthy but you know, I'll refer you to anybody microblade, laser treatment, hair removal, makeup, whatever. So yeah, I encourage that cuz it's best to sometimes get a second opinion.
Ari O'Donovan: (05:43)
Yeah. Just to get that good and honest advice. Even if you are not the person for that service, that you would offer that advice so that people can be referred to someone that does specialize in that. That's meaningful too to bipo communities and the black community. It really is.
Sia Miller: (06:03)
Mm-hmm . Absolutely.
Ari O'Donovan: (06:05)
And you were talking about beauty school and and when you were learning there and everything that you experienced there. I know my mom was a hairdresser for over 40 years. So when she went to beauty school to learn how to do hair, not once did she get to learn with black hair, it was always white people and their hair. But it's not the reverse though. She had to learn how to work with straighter hair and hair that white people typically have instead of black hair. All the stuff she knows about black hair. She just knew it's been passed down and it's just how she knew that. But she was never taught in school to get a license on how to work with black hair. But it's not the reverse. White people don't have to learn how to work with black hair. So could you share a little bit about that?
Sia Miller: (07:00)
Yes. Barely mentioned in the books. Never once do I remember talking about or learning of about what treatments are for darker complexions. Everything is based on the European standard, the European skin, European hair, things like that. And that was another reason why that that course by Joel e was important to me because it was all multicultural skin so it really broadened my horizons and my education. But you know, I feel like there needs to be a course included in all beauty schools across the board, all over the nation, all over the world. And that we just don't have that yet. And it's really unfortunate but it's needed.
Ari O'Donovan: (07:48)
Yeah, I absolutely agree. I think that we are slowly working towards that but we're not there yet. We need to be, but we're not. But we're talking about it just you and I talking about it in this podcast episode that's making people think, okay, this is something that we need to start including and it's never gonna change if people don't know about it and people don't think about it first.
Sia Miller: (08:13)
It's sad that I had to invest, you know, extra money after I finished school, after I got my license to seek my own multicultural skincare class. But you know, they say that once you get out in the field is when the real education starts. So you really do have to like, I mean as with anything else, if I wanna specialize in chemical pills or dermaplaning, I had to actually find my own classes for that because it wasn't taught in school. So I mean I guess it goes along with anything else but it should definitely be included.
Ari O'Donovan: (08:43)
It really should. It's something that people of color with darker skin complexions, Indian women with darker skin complexions, black women, other bipo community members with darker skin complexions, you will feel even more marginalized because you're just trying to take care of your own skin. If you have acne, you're trying to find ways to not have acne cuz it's not the nicest looking thing. And then you feel more marginalized when you go out there and you try to find these resources and they're just not available everywhere. So I'm thankful for people like you that know what they're doing. ,
Sia Miller: (09:19)
Yes. I love it.
Ari O'Donovan: (09:21)
Can you tell me a little bit more about a regimented skincare routine for daily? For daily skincare?
Sia Miller: (09:31)
Well, a daily regimented skincare routine should include a cleanser, a toner, um, a moisturizer if you're 30 and over or retinol at night a vitamin C and sunscreen. I can't express the importance of sunscreen. If you're not using sunscreen in your routine, you can throw all that other stuff out the window. Sunscreen is the best anti-aging clear skin treatment you can ever get. Yeah. But routine with those things in it and using them twice a day I think is really important. Um, some people feel like, oh well I don't wear makeup or I have dry skin or my skin is very oily, I don't need moisturizer. Or you, you still need to use a cleanser, you'd still need to use the moisturizer. Still need sunscreen. Those are important. Before I was educated, I didn't put soap on my face. I used a warm wash rag but my skin wasn't getting clean, it wasn't being exfoliated, it was um, and you're putting moisturizers on top. So it was just kind of caked on dead skin that should have been sloughed off was still there. My skin appearance was rough. Um, the, the products that are supposed to provide nutrients to the skin, were basically sitting on top of dead skin. But like I said, everyone's skincare routine should include a cleanser, moisturizer, toner, sunscreen, vitamin A or retinol and a vitamin C if you can. And that's if you're over 30.
Ari O'Donovan: (11:20)
Nice. And we talked about a lot of that during my last appointment with you where I got my very first facial I've ever had in life. And it took me until I was in my thirties to actually go out to a place cuz I was worried. I was like, I don't know. I don't know if people are really gonna be, I don't want bad things happening to my skin and maybe I'll just not do that and just use my own cleanser at home. But then I found you and I was like, yeah, this is a good idea. And we talked about that and you really educated me on the sunscreen. A lot of people with darker skin, especially iPOC community members with darker skin or any kind of, you know, melanated skin would feel like, oh well I already have a natural skin sun protectant in my skin. It's the melanin that keeps me protected from free radicals, from accelerated aging, from skin cancer that is simply not enough.
Sia Miller: (12:20)
Mm-hmm . Absolutely. And maybe we can talk about a little hyperpigmentation. So the reason why our skin hyper pigments is because the melanocytes rush to signs of trauma. So if you're picking your skin trying to, you know, pick out a blackhead pimple or if you scar your face, those melanocytes run to that site of trauma like a magnet and it tries to repair the damage. And so that's why that particular spot pigments and it gets darker. And so that's why sunscreen is important is it, it blocks it from getting darker. And then so I always tell my clients I have a small clientele of acne clients and my number one thing is do not pick your skin. Do not pick your pimples when you come in for a facial. Let me do it professionally because there's a way to do it so you don't mark and always, always wear your sunscreen.
Ari O'Donovan: (13:26)
That's really informative. Some of that I didn't even know. And we talked about acne a little bit too during the last appointment that I had with you. And acne is really complex from what you've told me. Everybody picks it like you see it on your face and you're like, I don't want this here , I have photos I'm taking tomorrow, I'm going out of the date. It makes me sad to look at it. I wanna get rid of it. You shouldn't, you just shouldn't do it.
Sia Miller: (13:53)
Pick at it and you get rid of it and you feel better. Right. But then it takes hyperpigmentation a few days to show up.
Ari O'Donovan: (14:00)
That's the hard part. And then you see it and then you see that and it's worse. Get rid of it, it looks worse than it did before. ,
Sia Miller: (14:06)
Uhhuh, , uhhuh .
Ari O'Donovan: (14:09)
Oh that's terrible. That's terrible. And you provide a service for acne, is that right? Tell me more about that.
Sia Miller: (14:18)
Yeah, so I have acne products. I work with face reality, acne skincare and so I do acne facials. But for clients that are wanting to improve their acne, I have a bootcamp program and it's about 14 to 18 weeks and it consists of a thorough onboarding process. There's paperwork packet, a 12 minute video to watch about acne and to be educated on acne and how it's formed and how to treat it. And that's just education for the client. And then from there we do a first treatment with an enzyme. And an enzyme is like an introduction to a chemical pill. And then I see clients every two weeks. So they have to stick to a strict plan. If you miss appointments, the program is not gonna work. And so I put them on a strict two week appointment where we do chemical pills and the chemical pills start gentle and then um, they grow to like a higher concentrated pill, none of which make you shed like you see on Instagram.
Sia Miller: (15:33)
But they're still very, very effective. I personally would never want a chemical pill that's gonna make my skin shed like a snake because I've got people to see and I've got things to do. I don't wanna be hiding from people you know. But yeah, so it's basically like an onboarding paperwork packet. There's um, an actual contract to sign two week appointments, chemical pills every two weeks until we get you cleared. And the reason why the program expects to clear in like 18 weeks is because of the skin's shedding cycle. So younger skin shed skin about every 28 days and then when you're older it takes maybe 40, 45 days or so unquote me for the skin to shed and turn over. And so it takes about three, maybe four skin shedding cycles to get the skin clear because pigmentation and stuff and acne is deeper down into the layers of skin.
Sia Miller: (16:38)
So it takes a while for that stuff to surface. But it's a really good program. The products are pretty affordable also. So when you go into Sephora you're seeing things 45 bucks, 50 bucks, maybe $60. So they're cheaper than Sephora for sure. And they'll last about 12 weeks. And then there's certain products that can kind of make the skin dry out cuz you wanna dry out the acne. And so sometimes I'll introduce different products to kind of change up the routine so the skin doesn't get used to what you're using. And so there's, let me see, I think the first product purchase is about $200 and that lasts a while and then we start introducing new things from there. But that's pretty rare. So it's an affordable program, you just have to stick with it honestly. But they have like a 90 to 95% success rate. So if anybody's interested in skincare or acne skincare, I have 'em check out the face reality Instagram page or their website or even their TikTok too.
Ari O'Donovan: (17:52)
Wow, that's really awesome. And I know that consistency that can be people's biggest problems and it's good to get recommendations from someone like you that knows what they're doing because just because you find a video on TikTok or Instagram where you see people like with like a, a little tiny mini razor like taking a bunch of skin off like shedding like that, that doesn't mean that it's Right. That doesn't make it the best thing to do.
Sia Miller: (18:23)
No it's not. And you know you have to be careful because it's not good for all skin. There's contraindications for derma planning for sure. So if you have eczema, eczema on your face, you can't, you have to have a pretty good barrier to begin with. If you have acne, it's definitely a no because what you can do is cut open that bacteria and you can spread it over your face. Yeah. And it also takes a certain type of blade. So professionals use a medical surgical blade. We're not using the twinkle razors that you can find at the beauty supply or Sephora over the counter. Those have guards on 'em and then they get a little bit weird and then they can cause skipping in the skin. You can accidentally put micro tears in and you can cause razor bumps with those too. Yeah. It's just always best go to an esthetician first and then let us Recommendations. Yeah. So I have no problems telling my clients, you know, you don't have to buy this from me, you can go and get this from you know, target. It's a little more affordable or this is what you do, this is what you don't do. But seek an esthetician first before you start jumping the gun and going, buying everything under the sun and wasting money for sure.
Ari O'Donovan: (19:37)
Really cuz it will become a waste of money. I have tried prior to finding a good routine and now after this conversation I'm gonna add a couple things to my own routine. I have gone through so much trouble finding good products and spent so much money on products that are not even really designed for skin like mine. And save yourself the trouble and the money and the time and talk to an aesthetician .
Sia Miller: (20:06)
For an example, when I went natural maybe 10 years ago, I had every product that I saw on Instagram, YouTube, under the sun. I had caddies full of stuff and it's like my hair didn't even like it but it's like if I would've talked to my hairstylist and seen like you know what's good for my four B hair or my texture or my color even you know, my scalp, you know, I could have saved myself a lot of money
Ari O'Donovan: (20:36)
Really though. Really it's just the same thing. Yeah, I wore a perm for many years. I decided to not try to do it on my my own. I went to a stylist and found a person that that works with my hair and recommends products and knows what they're doing. So . So I made it easier for me. I decided to skip that whole, let's go through a bunch of different products. But yeah, before that there were lots of products, lots of trying things and I'm like, you know, it took me two times before I was committed to wearing my hair in a natural because it's a new thing, it's a new level of upkeep, new products and all kinds of stuff that you gotta think about. But yeah that is another journey for black women especially. You have just opened a new location and you're getting it ready.
Sia Miller: (21:29)
Yes, I'm getting it ready still. It'll be a little bit, I've got some barrier with some hurdles with a permit issue, some stuff that my contractor put up. But as soon as I get through that I'll be open and ready. Hopefully it'll be about a month, what is it? May now. Hopefully April. But yeah, so I'll be doing makeup of course facials, full body waxing. Um, I would really like to hire an eyelash extension person, a lash check cuz like, like a lot of my clients ask for that and it's a service I don't provide. I was trained in town but I got my hands full with all these three jobs here. So I think I'll just hire someone for that. But you know, if I'm ever in a pinch or somebody really needs something, I think I can do some extensions. It's nice to learn how to do a little bit of everything.
Ari O'Donovan: (22:21)
Definitely. I'm so excited to hear that, that you're working on getting your own location. That's gonna be so dope. Can you tell me more about the full spectrum of services that you offer or at least some highlights that you wanna share with listeners?
Sia Miller: (22:38)
Well, makeup I feel like is such a, it's an umbrella term for me because there's so many different subspecialties under makeup. So I do makeup for events any event, special occasion. But I love bridal makeup. I feel like I'm people of color, bridal makeup artist and I'm the go-to for that for sure. But then over the last few years I've also been dipping and dabbing in like production TV film. So I've worked on a couple of local movies, a couple of local like TV shows. Let's see, I work with Nike a lot on fun projects so it's usually like print for them, but we'll do film little short films and stuff. And I've got some appearances on Nike's Instagram page so that's kind of cool. Let's see. And then as far as facials, I do the everyday pampering, relaxation facial, the multicultural treatments in skincare. Let's see, see and then waxing, I wax from head to toe so whatever you need. I got you covered there. Covered or uncovered .
Ari O'Donovan: (23:54)
I love it. The summer's here and people wanna look nice. Nice swimsuits. That's right.
Sia Miller: (24:03)
Let's see. It's pretty much everything.
Ari O'Donovan: (24:07)
That's a lot. Honestly that's a lot especially with makeup because I know that you do an amazing job with bridal makeup but also just like a low key makeup look for someone, for someone that can just, they can just be like, it's just a simple look. Nothing, nothing too crazy for people that don't wanna wear a lot of makeup all at once. And for people like me that wanna really get glammed up when it's a special occasion, you do that and you teach classes, you teach people how to apply their makeup as well.
Sia Miller: (24:41)
Yes. Thank you so much. How did I forget that? So I teach lessons to the everyday woman that's needing to you know, update your look cause we can kinda feel like, I feel like we can get stuck in putting makeup on like we did in high school. You get used to those same brows, you're used to seeing yourself in that same look. Um, but I teach women to like kind of step out of their comfort zone, try something different. You know back in the day we were putting concealer under our foundation. Now we put it over the top to highlight and brighten. So I teach the everyday woman makeup and I teach aspiring makeup artists. So I have them bring a model and it's about a two hour to three hour class and I walk them through step-by-step and I teach the half face method.
Sia Miller: (25:29)
So I demonstrate each step on one side of the face and I have them duplicated on the other. Now I don't necessarily encourage them to do it exactly how I do it, but I make recommendations and I find that like a lot of people are using maybe outdated products and sometimes people are just holding the brushes the wrong way or using the wrong brushes to achieve a certain look. Let's see. Yeah, so I teach private lessons, lessons to aspiring makeup artists. I do small group makeup. So I had on several different occasions I've had women ask me to come over and do like makeover parties. So a group of friends will have like a gathering at their house. I come set up, demonstrate how to do their own makeup and then they go out for a night outta town and it's perfect. And then honestly because I'm kind of demonstrating on everyone, everyone kind of ends up with a full face of makeup and then they go out and they have so much fun.
Sia Miller: (26:33)
So I love doing those too. That's why I'm saying like makeup, it's like this huge like generic term because there's so many things under makeup that I do. I can't even keep track of it all. Honestly. You know what I actually have done a few times. I've makeup shopped for people. I've had a couple of like hairstylists and even the everyday woman, they're like, you know what, I don't have any makeup and I need to start wearing it because I'm doing these zoom meetings or I'm doing speaking engagements. Um, can you just make a kit for me? So I'll go and shop for them and get cute little organized case. They come and pick it up and I've got everything that they need, all organized and everything. So that's kind of fun too. I'm shopping for makeup every week, updating stuff. So I might as well grab something for others.
Sia Miller: (27:23)
I started a makeup brush line year ago because actually I created the makeup brush line because when I was doing these private classes, these one-on-one and group classes, the first thing I noticed is that no one has the brushes they need and no one knows what brushes to buy. So like everyone would have like a big fluffy brush and then like two small ones and it's like you don't need everything under the sun but there's a brush essentials kit that every person that wears makeup needs. And so I put one together and they come in a really cute travel case so you can just throw it in your luggage, you can even throw it in your purse brush to stay protected. Everything that you need in there. There's like 21 pieces, there's a couple fluffy blending brushes, an eyeliner brush, a spooly brush to comb bare brow hairs with fluffy brushes, a blush brush, lipstick brush, everything that you need is in there. But I do retell those and so when I move into my spa, I'll have those on display. I will have skincare products for purchase on display as well. So I mean you'll be able to come and get everything , all the good.
Ari O'Donovan: (28:41)
It's like a one-stop shop And when you have, you're a bipo community member and you have darker skin or pigmented skin, it's just nice to know there's someone out here that's got you covered, that's got, they got you, they got all the stuff you need. They have recommendations, they have advice, all of it. Cuz it's so easy to feel like, okay, all I have is TikTok and Instagram and YouTube to show me how to do stuff and they ain't even doing it right half the time. So that's all I have out here. A lot of people be feeling that way.
Sia Miller: (29:15)
You know, it's actually alarming to see how many people are doing facials and dermaplaning in doing these things for views and you know, maybe popularity, I don't know. But a lot of people, you'd be surprised how many aren't licensed. So I was just watching a video the other day and a lady actually said in her caption, this is my acne treatment facial. And she derma plained, which is face shaving, the client that had acne And there was comments after comments like, no this is wrong, you're not supposed to. And it's like if she was truly educated and licensed, she would not be doing that. And so you can't believe everything that people are telling you on TikTok. You can't believe everything that people are telling you on Instagram. A lot of people are sponsored, a lot of people are given free product to say that they like something.
Sia Miller: (30:16)
And I don't do that. If I talk about a product, it's because I really, really like it and I'm not being paid to say that I do. It's genuine, it's from the heart and I would never do something for views. So you kind of have to be careful when you're watching social media. Everyone doesn't have your best interest. Everyone doesn't have the skin that you have. Everyone doesn't have the features you have. It's hard to watch and follow a makeup video. You know this person's three shades lighter. She's got a dewy flawless foundation base, but she has very, very clear skin and she may already have oily skin. You may have dry skin, you have to take social media with a grain of salt.
Ari O'Donovan: (30:59)
Mm-hmm , this is a great example of why you need to do that. You should do that just in your everyday when you come across information, how you critically think about things. We've had a podcast episode about that previously with misinformation and disinformation. But when it comes to videos too for everything, whether it's makeup, you wanna eat healthier foods, you're taking supplements, all kinds of stuff, you really need to think about the stuff that you find online. I see people taking like whole handfuls of supplements and it's like these are not regulated by the F D A. Like you can take too much iron, you can take too much vitamin D and it can be dangerous.
Sia Miller: (31:42)
I mean, and you know if there's a contraindication you could have like a health issue or concern or condition or something that would contraindicate that. So you do have to be very careful.
Ari O'Donovan: (31:53)
See a professional see a professional all the time. Whether it's for a medical reason, an aesthetic reason, see a professional. Well see. I have enjoyed this conversation. It has been amazing. Is there anything that you wanna share with listeners that we didn't talk about where they can find you on social media, how they can make appointments with you? Tell me more about that. People wanna know.
Sia Miller: (32:23)
Well I'll tell 'em how to find me again. My Instagram is faces underscore by Cmia and that's S I A M like Mary I a. Facebook is Siia Miller. S I A M I L L E r. TikTok. What is my TikTok? I need all the followers. If you guys are listening and you're following me, drop me a DM and tell me where you found me from. Maybe I'll have something special for you when you come see me. I
Ari O'Donovan: (32:53)
Heard that you heard that job. Don't stop. You better get on that. Right?
Sia Miller: (32:59)
Like, hey, I heard you on boosting our voices. Book an appointment and I'm gonna hook you up. Maybe I'll throw that brow wax with a facial. What do you think about that?
Ari O'Donovan: (33:09)
I love that idea. Or
Sia Miller: (33:10)
A good brow arch with a facial.
Ari O'Donovan: (33:13)
Ooh, I love that idea. Ooh, I did. That's that for you. You did. That's a good one. That's perfect cuz that's like after a facial and you have that too. And get your eyebrows lined up. You really, your skin's glowing eyebrows are done. You ready to go out and look your best?
Sia Miller: (33:31)
How did your skin feel afterwards?
Ari O'Donovan: (33:33)
It was really good. I, some people who have had facials that have lighter skin than me and have gone to a different place in person have said I felt a lot of burning after. I felt like my skin was kind of tight. Although it had moisture on the surface, it felt tight anyway, I didn't feel any of that. My skin just felt like it was a, a new layer of nice moisturized skin. Okay. And then I went Did you
Sia Miller: (33:57)
Purge afterwards?
Ari O'Donovan: (33:59)
No, I didn't at all. Ok.
Sia Miller: (34:00)
Cause sometimes that's normal too. A little purging just because you've exfoliated and then whatever's underneath still needs to surface. Right? So purging is pretty typical after a facial. It doesn't happen for everybody. But you didn't have any of that did
Ari O'Donovan: (34:16)
I did not. And I went, maybe that wasn't the best thing to do, but then I went out into the sun. I had that sunscreen on though that I got from you. So I felt good about that and it didn't bother me at all. I felt super good.
Sia Miller: (34:31)
You only have to hide from the sun after a chemical pill.
Ari O'Donovan: (34:34)
Okay. Okay. See that's why we're talking about it . Cause I don't want anybody know. That's why we talk about it.
Sia Miller: (34:41)
You gotta come get a gentle pill next time.
Ari O'Donovan: (34:43)
Yep. That's gonna be the next thing thing.
Sia Miller: (34:44)
A mild, gentle pill on you.
Ari O'Donovan: (34:47)
I'm very excited. That's the next thing. Now that I am 30 and over, I'm like mm-hmm . Let's really get into that skincare because it just makes you feel better about yourself. You take care of your skin. Mm-hmm. and protect it as you get older. And now I know of someone and so do listeners who knows what she's doing and can take care of your skin and not have it be an adverse negative experience for you.
Sia Miller: (35:12)
Right. So I have a pop quiz for you. Tell me, are you ready? I'm ready. You're over 30. What are the two products that you should have?
Ari O'Donovan: (35:19)
You definitely need a retinol.
Sia Miller: (35:22)
Right? Okay.
Ari O'Donovan: (35:24)
Okay. I got that one. Vitamin C. Yes. Woo. I got it.
Sia Miller: (35:31)
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Ari O'Donovan: (35:32)
You see I be listening. I be listening. . I have always been a good student and we ain't gonna stop now on the podcast,
Sia Miller: (35:41)
. Oh, I love it.
Ari O'Donovan: (35:46)
I love that people will listen and then they're gonna contact you and they'll have a special reason why you gotta listen to find out. So that's right. Why listen to the whole thing.
Ari O'Donovan: (35:58)
Thank you for being a guest. Sia, it has been amazing. So informative, so useful. Thank you. Yes.
Sia Miller: (36:06)
You're so welcome. Thanks for having me.
Ari O'Donovan: (36:08)
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